1 00:00:34,310 --> 00:00:02,149 [Music] 2 00:00:36,889 --> 00:00:34,320 welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole 3 00:00:38,569 --> 00:00:36,899 podcast I'm your host Kelly Chase 4 00:00:40,729 --> 00:00:38,579 what we're going to be talking about in 5 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:40,739 today's episode is nothing less than 6 00:00:45,650 --> 00:00:43,200 historic this is the first time since 7 00:00:47,270 --> 00:00:45,660 starting this podcast 18 months ago that 8 00:00:49,250 --> 00:00:47,280 I've had to stop everything that I'm 9 00:00:51,529 --> 00:00:49,260 doing in order to cover a piece of 10 00:00:54,590 --> 00:00:51,539 breaking news that has sweeping and 11 00:00:55,910 --> 00:00:54,600 profound implications for disclosure so 12 00:00:59,510 --> 00:00:55,920 here's what happened 13 00:01:01,970 --> 00:00:59,520 on Monday June 5th 2023 a story was 14 00:01:03,950 --> 00:01:01,980 published by the debrief presenting 15 00:01:05,990 --> 00:01:03,960 claims from the first whistleblower to 16 00:01:08,450 --> 00:01:06,000 step forward publicly since the passing 17 00:01:11,149 --> 00:01:08,460 of UAP whistleblower legislation a few 18 00:01:13,789 --> 00:01:11,159 months ago this whistleblower David 19 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:13,799 Charles Rush is a high-level member of 20 00:01:17,870 --> 00:01:16,080 the intelligence community and he is 21 00:01:20,230 --> 00:01:17,880 claiming to have knowledge of special 22 00:01:23,390 --> 00:01:20,240 access programs that have recovered 23 00:01:26,149 --> 00:01:23,400 non-human technological craft 24 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:26,159 later that same day an excerpt from an 25 00:01:29,149 --> 00:01:27,360 interview with the Whistleblower 26 00:01:32,810 --> 00:01:29,159 conducted by investigative journalist 27 00:01:34,789 --> 00:01:32,820 Ross colpart was aired on news nation in 28 00:01:37,789 --> 00:01:34,799 which Rush made even more shocking 29 00:01:39,649 --> 00:01:37,799 claims and all of this is leading up to 30 00:01:42,830 --> 00:01:39,659 a full version of the interview to be 31 00:01:45,050 --> 00:01:42,840 aired this Sunday June 11th at 9pm on 32 00:01:46,429 --> 00:01:45,060 news Nation so just know that as 33 00:01:48,830 --> 00:01:46,439 shocking is everything that we're about 34 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:48,840 to discuss is going to sound this is 35 00:01:53,149 --> 00:01:51,060 still a developing story and we'll get 36 00:01:55,249 --> 00:01:53,159 to all of that in a moment 37 00:01:57,710 --> 00:01:55,259 but before we begin I just want to say 38 00:01:59,929 --> 00:01:57,720 this there was a lot of material to 39 00:02:02,149 --> 00:01:59,939 cover here the journalistic team that 40 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:02,159 put it all together did an exemplary job 41 00:02:05,990 --> 00:02:04,200 of providing as much context and 42 00:02:08,510 --> 00:02:06,000 corroborating evidence to support their 43 00:02:11,210 --> 00:02:08,520 claims as possible as a result the 44 00:02:12,890 --> 00:02:11,220 article itself is dense and even then 45 00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:12,900 there's only so much that you can 46 00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:15,360 include in one article and I think it's 47 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:17,040 really important for reasons that we'll 48 00:02:21,229 --> 00:02:19,440 get to to put this story in the context 49 00:02:23,150 --> 00:02:21,239 of everything that has happened thus far 50 00:02:25,309 --> 00:02:23,160 with disclosure I've spent the last 51 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:25,319 three days pulling it all apart and 52 00:02:29,630 --> 00:02:27,360 doing my best to present all of this in 53 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:29,640 as clear a manner as possible so that 54 00:02:34,369 --> 00:02:31,800 it's easy to grok not just what this 55 00:02:36,890 --> 00:02:34,379 groundbreaking article says but how we 56 00:02:38,330 --> 00:02:36,900 got here and what it all might mean if 57 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:38,340 you've been following this story from 58 00:02:42,470 --> 00:02:40,080 the beginning and you already have all 59 00:02:44,630 --> 00:02:42,480 that background that's fantastic you may 60 00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:44,640 not need some of what's covered here but 61 00:02:48,229 --> 00:02:46,560 either way I hope that it can be a 62 00:02:50,089 --> 00:02:48,239 resource that you can share with others 63 00:02:52,430 --> 00:02:50,099 in your life who haven't spent the last 64 00:02:54,050 --> 00:02:52,440 few years obsessing over this stuff and 65 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:54,060 might need a little framing to 66 00:02:57,170 --> 00:02:55,680 understand the significance of what's 67 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:57,180 going on here 68 00:03:00,830 --> 00:02:58,800 for reasons that we'll get to later on 69 00:03:02,690 --> 00:03:00,840 in the episode we need to do everything 70 00:03:04,910 --> 00:03:02,700 that we can to get this story in front 71 00:03:07,369 --> 00:03:04,920 of as many people as possible 72 00:03:09,470 --> 00:03:07,379 also know that I will do my best to 73 00:03:11,210 --> 00:03:09,480 include as many resources and as much 74 00:03:13,250 --> 00:03:11,220 background information I can in the 75 00:03:14,869 --> 00:03:13,260 episode brief so that you can dive more 76 00:03:16,490 --> 00:03:14,879 deeply into anything that we discuss 77 00:03:18,890 --> 00:03:16,500 here today 78 00:03:21,470 --> 00:03:18,900 so let's dive into it what makes the 79 00:03:24,470 --> 00:03:21,480 story so significant it comes down to 80 00:03:26,509 --> 00:03:24,480 two things what is being said and who is 81 00:03:27,890 --> 00:03:26,519 saying it so let's actually start with 82 00:03:30,229 --> 00:03:27,900 the latter 83 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:30,239 this article in the debrief was written 84 00:03:34,250 --> 00:03:31,920 by well-respected investigative 85 00:03:36,890 --> 00:03:34,260 journalists Leslie Kane and Ralph 86 00:03:39,350 --> 00:03:36,900 Blumenthal Kane and Blumenthal were the 87 00:03:41,390 --> 00:03:39,360 team behind the 2017 article in the New 88 00:03:43,490 --> 00:03:41,400 York Times that marked a watershed 89 00:03:45,710 --> 00:03:43,500 moment in the conversation about UFOs 90 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:45,720 and frankly is the reason why there's 91 00:03:49,670 --> 00:03:47,280 been an influx of new people taking 92 00:03:51,289 --> 00:03:49,680 interest in this topic since I include 93 00:03:54,170 --> 00:03:51,299 myself in that cohort 94 00:03:56,330 --> 00:03:54,180 the 2017 New York Times article titled 95 00:03:58,149 --> 00:03:56,340 glowing auras and black money the 96 00:04:00,530 --> 00:03:58,159 pentagon's mysterious UFO program 97 00:04:02,570 --> 00:04:00,540 revealed the existence of a secretive 98 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:02,580 Pentagon program called the advanced 99 00:04:08,089 --> 00:04:04,680 Aerospace threat identification program 100 00:04:10,970 --> 00:04:08,099 or atip that investigative reports of 101 00:04:13,190 --> 00:04:10,980 unidentified flying objects the article 102 00:04:15,890 --> 00:04:13,200 featured accounts for military personnel 103 00:04:18,229 --> 00:04:15,900 including interviews with Luis Elizondo 104 00:04:21,229 --> 00:04:18,239 a former military intelligence official 105 00:04:23,450 --> 00:04:21,239 who managed the program Elizondo claimed 106 00:04:26,090 --> 00:04:23,460 that atip had encountered unexplained 107 00:04:28,189 --> 00:04:26,100 sightings by military Pilots indicating 108 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:28,199 the presence of advanced unidentified 109 00:04:33,469 --> 00:04:30,960 aerial phenomena the defied conventional 110 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:33,479 explanations and he expressed concerns 111 00:04:37,550 --> 00:04:35,100 about the potential National Security 112 00:04:39,950 --> 00:04:37,560 implications of these encounters 113 00:04:43,249 --> 00:04:39,960 in fact he was so concerned with the 114 00:04:45,170 --> 00:04:43,259 situation that in October of 2017 he 115 00:04:47,510 --> 00:04:45,180 resigned from his position in protest 116 00:04:50,810 --> 00:04:47,520 and dedicated his life to pursuing 117 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:50,820 greater transparency on the UFO issue 118 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:52,740 Beyond being the team to break this 119 00:04:57,409 --> 00:04:54,780 incredible story in the pages of the New 120 00:05:00,110 --> 00:04:57,419 York Times Kane and Blumenthal both have 121 00:05:01,909 --> 00:05:00,120 impressive journalistic resumes Leslie 122 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:01,919 Kane is an investigative journalist and 123 00:05:06,710 --> 00:05:04,020 author known for her Decades of tireless 124 00:05:09,650 --> 00:05:06,720 work on the subject of UFOs she is the 125 00:05:11,330 --> 00:05:09,660 author of the book UFOs generals pilots 126 00:05:13,790 --> 00:05:11,340 and government officials go on the 127 00:05:15,530 --> 00:05:13,800 record which compiles testimony from 128 00:05:17,749 --> 00:05:15,540 high-ranking military and government 129 00:05:19,189 --> 00:05:17,759 Personnel regarding their encounters 130 00:05:22,010 --> 00:05:19,199 with UAP 131 00:05:24,409 --> 00:05:22,020 the 2023 National Geographic documentary 132 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:24,419 series UFOs investigating the unknown 133 00:05:29,749 --> 00:05:27,120 was inspired by her work if you haven't 134 00:05:31,730 --> 00:05:29,759 seen it I highly recommend it not just 135 00:05:33,770 --> 00:05:31,740 for its content on UFOs which is 136 00:05:35,810 --> 00:05:33,780 excellent but because it tells the story 137 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:35,820 of the Decades of work that Leslie and 138 00:05:40,430 --> 00:05:37,680 her colleagues have put into dragging 139 00:05:42,290 --> 00:05:40,440 the story Into the Light as celebrated 140 00:05:44,629 --> 00:05:42,300 as Leslie is I don't think that many 141 00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:44,639 even in the UFO Community have a true 142 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:46,740 sense of the scale of the contributions 143 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:48,900 that she's made to this topic and it's 144 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:50,460 worth taking the time to hear that story 145 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:53,460 her partner in this Ralph Blumenthal has 146 00:05:57,890 --> 00:05:55,680 an impressive resume of his own 147 00:05:59,810 --> 00:05:57,900 he is an accomplished journalist and 148 00:06:01,249 --> 00:05:59,820 author who had a career standing nearly 149 00:06:03,830 --> 00:06:01,259 four decades at the New York Times 150 00:06:05,990 --> 00:06:03,840 Blumenthal also received a Pulitzer 151 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:06,000 Prize for leading the times Metro team 152 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:07,740 in their breaking news coverage of the 153 00:06:10,969 --> 00:06:10,080 1993 truck bombing of the World Trade 154 00:06:12,710 --> 00:06:10,979 Center 155 00:06:14,870 --> 00:06:12,720 and not only are these journalists 156 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:14,880 highly credible but the Whistleblower 157 00:06:18,409 --> 00:06:16,620 that has come forward has quite an 158 00:06:20,450 --> 00:06:18,419 impressive pedigree as well which we'll 159 00:06:22,370 --> 00:06:20,460 get to in just a moment he is well 160 00:06:24,529 --> 00:06:22,380 placed to have access to the kinds of 161 00:06:26,870 --> 00:06:24,539 information that he claims to have and 162 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:26,880 he's already given hours of testimony to 163 00:06:31,129 --> 00:06:28,560 both Congress and the intelligence 164 00:06:32,930 --> 00:06:31,139 Community Inspector General and multiple 165 00:06:34,850 --> 00:06:32,940 high-level intelligence officials have 166 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:34,860 stepped forward to attest to grush's 167 00:06:39,650 --> 00:06:37,620 character and to corroborate his claims 168 00:06:42,050 --> 00:06:39,660 but beyond just The credibility of the 169 00:06:43,550 --> 00:06:42,060 people doing the reporting this story is 170 00:06:45,409 --> 00:06:43,560 significant because of what is being 171 00:06:47,210 --> 00:06:45,419 said we're going to get into the 172 00:06:49,010 --> 00:06:47,220 specifics here in just a moment but as 173 00:06:50,629 --> 00:06:49,020 earth-shattering and profound as the 174 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:50,639 revelations are that we are potentially 175 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:52,800 not alone on this planet and that our 176 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:54,240 government may be in possession of 177 00:06:59,450 --> 00:06:56,880 non-human technology when you dive into 178 00:07:01,189 --> 00:06:59,460 what David grush is really saying he's 179 00:07:02,930 --> 00:07:01,199 painting a picture of a much larger 180 00:07:04,730 --> 00:07:02,940 pattern of secrets that have the 181 00:07:07,129 --> 00:07:04,740 potential to call literally everything 182 00:07:09,409 --> 00:07:07,139 into question from the history of the 183 00:07:11,689 --> 00:07:09,419 20th century to our place both in the 184 00:07:14,029 --> 00:07:11,699 cosmos and in the food chain 185 00:07:15,590 --> 00:07:14,039 one more thing before we begin I think 186 00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:15,600 it's important to state that the reason 187 00:07:19,909 --> 00:07:17,580 that this story appeared in the debrief 188 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:19,919 which is a fantastic and reputable news 189 00:07:24,409 --> 00:07:22,080 organization but admittedly a smaller 190 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:24,419 one is because the mainstream media 191 00:07:31,010 --> 00:07:27,120 passed on this story The New York Times 192 00:07:33,770 --> 00:07:31,020 said no the hill said no Politico said 193 00:07:35,930 --> 00:07:33,780 no in a June 8 article in Vanity Fair 194 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:35,940 Kane and Blumenthal have clarified that 195 00:07:39,830 --> 00:07:37,740 the Washington Post didn't technically 196 00:07:41,629 --> 00:07:39,840 say no but that they weren't able to 197 00:07:43,070 --> 00:07:41,639 move quickly enough in vetting the story 198 00:07:45,650 --> 00:07:43,080 and they had to move forward without 199 00:07:47,689 --> 00:07:45,660 them Blumenthal told Vanity Fair that 200 00:07:49,610 --> 00:07:47,699 circumstances including the grush's 201 00:07:51,770 --> 00:07:49,620 identity as The Whistleblower had been 202 00:07:53,589 --> 00:07:51,780 leaked out on the internet pushed them 203 00:07:56,330 --> 00:07:53,599 to publish sooner than they'd hoped 204 00:07:57,830 --> 00:07:56,340 Blumenthal was quoted as saying if there 205 00:07:59,450 --> 00:07:57,840 had been no leaks it might have been 206 00:08:01,909 --> 00:07:59,460 different but people on the internet 207 00:08:03,710 --> 00:08:01,919 were spreading stories David grush was 208 00:08:05,809 --> 00:08:03,720 getting harassing phone calls and we 209 00:08:07,370 --> 00:08:05,819 felt the only way to protect him was to 210 00:08:09,770 --> 00:08:07,380 get the story out 211 00:08:11,809 --> 00:08:09,780 as Ross culthart mentioned in the most 212 00:08:14,450 --> 00:08:11,819 recent episode of his podcast with Bryce 213 00:08:16,430 --> 00:08:14,460 Sable need to know a hard truth of 214 00:08:19,010 --> 00:08:16,440 Journalism is that things rarely go well 215 00:08:20,930 --> 00:08:19,020 for whistleblowers one of the primary 216 00:08:22,550 --> 00:08:20,940 motivations for a whistleblower to go 217 00:08:24,469 --> 00:08:22,560 public in the first place with what they 218 00:08:26,390 --> 00:08:24,479 know is for protection 219 00:08:28,129 --> 00:08:26,400 the reality of the dangers faced by 220 00:08:29,990 --> 00:08:28,139 whistleblowers who come forward with the 221 00:08:32,449 --> 00:08:30,000 story of this magnitude can't be 222 00:08:34,490 --> 00:08:32,459 overstated and you can't understand the 223 00:08:36,769 --> 00:08:34,500 full scope of how this story came to be 224 00:08:39,409 --> 00:08:36,779 and what it might mean without taking 225 00:08:41,810 --> 00:08:39,419 the time to look at it through that lens 226 00:08:44,329 --> 00:08:41,820 this also ought to serve as a wake-up 227 00:08:45,470 --> 00:08:44,339 call to members of the UFO Community who 228 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:45,480 have been engaging in leaking 229 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:48,240 information as well as amplifying leaked 230 00:08:52,610 --> 00:08:50,040 information by reposting it over the 231 00:08:55,009 --> 00:08:52,620 last few weeks whether motivated by ego 232 00:08:57,290 --> 00:08:55,019 naivete about the seriousness of the 233 00:08:59,870 --> 00:08:57,300 situation or a genuine desire to do a 234 00:09:01,910 --> 00:08:59,880 public service these actions aren't just 235 00:09:03,889 --> 00:09:01,920 woefully misguided and counterproductive 236 00:09:06,530 --> 00:09:03,899 they're dangerous 237 00:09:07,910 --> 00:09:06,540 they endanger the life and livelihood of 238 00:09:09,769 --> 00:09:07,920 whistleblowers who are putting 239 00:09:12,170 --> 00:09:09,779 everything on the line in the name of 240 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:12,180 doing the right thing whistleblowers 241 00:09:17,389 --> 00:09:14,760 deserve our gratitude our support and 242 00:09:19,790 --> 00:09:17,399 our protection all of which are best 243 00:09:22,130 --> 00:09:19,800 achieved with our discretion 244 00:09:24,350 --> 00:09:22,140 in the meantime the mainstream media 245 00:09:26,449 --> 00:09:24,360 from Vice to New York Magazine to the 246 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:26,459 guardian has slowly begun to pick this 247 00:09:30,590 --> 00:09:28,560 story up over the last few days which is 248 00:09:32,210 --> 00:09:30,600 encouraging but I think it's important 249 00:09:34,389 --> 00:09:32,220 to note that all that they've done is 250 00:09:36,889 --> 00:09:34,399 summarize the article as it was reported 251 00:09:38,690 --> 00:09:36,899 thus far we have yet to see any 252 00:09:40,850 --> 00:09:38,700 legitimate follow-up or investigation 253 00:09:43,070 --> 00:09:40,860 from any major news Outlet on these 254 00:09:45,410 --> 00:09:43,080 allegations I hope that within a few 255 00:09:47,269 --> 00:09:45,420 days this will no longer be the case The 256 00:09:49,009 --> 00:09:47,279 Silence of the Legacy Media on this 257 00:09:50,570 --> 00:09:49,019 matter is as shocking as it is 258 00:09:52,910 --> 00:09:50,580 unacceptable 259 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:52,920 and on that note I'd like to give a huge 260 00:09:57,410 --> 00:09:55,200 shout out to Micah Hanks Lieutenant Tim 261 00:09:59,750 --> 00:09:57,420 McMillan and the whole team over at the 262 00:10:01,790 --> 00:09:59,760 debrief for their bravery and service in 263 00:10:04,430 --> 00:10:01,800 publishing this article the American 264 00:10:06,410 --> 00:10:04,440 people owe you a debt of gratitude 265 00:10:07,490 --> 00:10:06,420 so before we dive into the story I think 266 00:10:10,070 --> 00:10:07,500 it's important to get a little 267 00:10:11,930 --> 00:10:10,080 background on how we got here this 268 00:10:14,449 --> 00:10:11,940 whistleblower didn't just appear out of 269 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:14,459 nowhere this was the result of years of 270 00:10:18,889 --> 00:10:16,260 work that kicked off with the publishing 271 00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:18,899 of the 2017 New York Times article 272 00:10:23,150 --> 00:10:21,360 that article created a firestorm in 273 00:10:25,310 --> 00:10:23,160 Washington and resulted in a lot of 274 00:10:27,050 --> 00:10:25,320 problems for Elizondo himself 275 00:10:28,910 --> 00:10:27,060 he had already walked away from his 276 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:28,920 career and his pension when he resigned 277 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:31,200 from his position in protest the 278 00:10:34,610 --> 00:10:33,000 sacrifice of a family man deciding to 279 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:34,620 make that move because he believed it 280 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:36,360 was the right thing to do is hard to 281 00:10:40,130 --> 00:10:38,760 fully convey but that ended up being the 282 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:40,140 least of his worries 283 00:10:44,630 --> 00:10:42,480 according to Elizondo the Pentagon 284 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:44,640 illegally deleted some of his files in 285 00:10:48,530 --> 00:10:46,140 order to make it appear that he had 286 00:10:50,269 --> 00:10:48,540 never worked as a member of atip what 287 00:10:52,130 --> 00:10:50,279 appeared to be a pretty clear campaign 288 00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:52,140 was launched to discredit him personally 289 00:10:55,490 --> 00:10:54,240 and professionally in retaliation for 290 00:10:57,290 --> 00:10:55,500 coming forward 291 00:10:58,970 --> 00:10:57,300 and while none of this has been proven 292 00:11:00,889 --> 00:10:58,980 yet it's important to note that the 293 00:11:02,810 --> 00:11:00,899 inspector General has taken these claims 294 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:02,820 very seriously and has launched an 295 00:11:07,009 --> 00:11:05,100 investigation into the matter 296 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:07,019 Beyond just the potential retaliation 297 00:11:10,910 --> 00:11:09,420 that whistleblowers face as well as the 298 00:11:13,009 --> 00:11:10,920 potential loss of their livelihood and 299 00:11:15,710 --> 00:11:13,019 pensions there was another very real 300 00:11:18,530 --> 00:11:15,720 problem there was no clear method of 301 00:11:20,750 --> 00:11:18,540 reporting anything to do with uaps and 302 00:11:22,910 --> 00:11:20,760 no clear place to report it 303 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:22,920 after the shuttering of atip there 304 00:11:27,170 --> 00:11:24,660 technically wasn't anyone investigating 305 00:11:28,970 --> 00:11:27,180 those things so even if you could find 306 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:28,980 someone to tell there was no real 307 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:32,160 mechanism or funding or staff for anyone 308 00:11:36,290 --> 00:11:34,800 to investigate those claims further so 309 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:36,300 why would you take that risk with your 310 00:11:39,710 --> 00:11:37,980 career and your ability to feed your 311 00:11:41,630 --> 00:11:39,720 family when you know that running this 312 00:11:44,210 --> 00:11:41,640 information of the flagpole won't result 313 00:11:46,910 --> 00:11:44,220 in anything but problems for you to drag 314 00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:46,920 UAP secrecy into the light Elizondo and 315 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:48,120 his colleagues needed other 316 00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:50,040 whistleblowers to step forward and share 317 00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:52,019 what they knew and they had their work 318 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:54,480 cut out for them they not only had to 319 00:11:58,009 --> 00:11:56,160 make it safe for whistleblowers to come 320 00:12:00,230 --> 00:11:58,019 forward which would involve getting the 321 00:12:02,810 --> 00:12:00,240 collective bipartisan will of a highly 322 00:12:05,269 --> 00:12:02,820 partisan Congress behind them but they 323 00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:05,279 had to get the resources expertise and 324 00:12:09,769 --> 00:12:07,200 Authority needed for someone to actually 325 00:12:11,449 --> 00:12:09,779 act on this information which would also 326 00:12:13,250 --> 00:12:11,459 take an act of Congress 327 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:13,260 Elizondo and many other Washington 328 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:16,079 insiders got to work on this they spent 329 00:12:20,569 --> 00:12:18,480 years talking to Congress raising 330 00:12:23,630 --> 00:12:20,579 Awareness on this issue helping to draft 331 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:23,640 legislation Etc in order to put all of 332 00:12:26,870 --> 00:12:25,680 the pieces in place in order to make 333 00:12:28,910 --> 00:12:26,880 this happen 334 00:12:31,130 --> 00:12:28,920 everything about this bombshell 335 00:12:33,410 --> 00:12:31,140 whistleblower story wouldn't be possible 336 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:33,420 without their tireless efforts 337 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:36,000 by 2020 the pressure from Congress to 338 00:12:40,550 --> 00:12:37,620 take this national security threat 339 00:12:43,610 --> 00:12:40,560 seriously reached a crescendo on August 340 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:43,620 4th 2020 Deputy defense secretary David 341 00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:46,260 norquist announced the creation of the 342 00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:48,720 unidentified aerial phenomena task force 343 00:12:53,870 --> 00:12:50,880 the mission of the task force was to 344 00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:53,880 detect analyze and catalog uaps that 345 00:12:57,170 --> 00:12:55,680 could potentially pose a threat to U.S 346 00:13:00,350 --> 00:12:57,180 national security 347 00:13:02,629 --> 00:13:00,360 the following summer on June 25th 2021 348 00:13:05,449 --> 00:13:02,639 the office of the Director of National 349 00:13:08,509 --> 00:13:05,459 Intelligence released a report on uaps 350 00:13:12,769 --> 00:13:08,519 the report found that the UAP task force 351 00:13:15,970 --> 00:13:12,779 was unable to identify 143 of 144 352 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:15,980 objects spotted between 2004 and 2021 353 00:13:21,230 --> 00:13:19,260 the report also said that 18 of these 354 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:21,240 objects featured unusual movement 355 00:13:25,850 --> 00:13:23,760 patterns or flight characteristics and 356 00:13:27,470 --> 00:13:25,860 more analysis was needed to determine if 357 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:27,480 those sightings represented breakthrough 358 00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:30,300 technology the report noted that some of 359 00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:32,399 these steps were resource intensive and 360 00:13:37,129 --> 00:13:34,800 required additional investment 361 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:37,139 the UAP task force continued their work 362 00:13:41,569 --> 00:13:40,079 until July 2022 when it was announced 363 00:13:43,370 --> 00:13:41,579 that it would be replaced with a new 364 00:13:46,129 --> 00:13:43,380 office within the United States Office 365 00:13:48,829 --> 00:13:46,139 of the Secretary of Defense called the 366 00:13:51,889 --> 00:13:48,839 all-domain anomaly resolution office or 367 00:13:53,930 --> 00:13:51,899 Aero we owe the creation of arrow to the 368 00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:53,940 gillibrand amendment which passed as a 369 00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:56,160 part of the 2022 National Defense 370 00:14:00,410 --> 00:13:57,839 authorization Act 371 00:14:02,750 --> 00:14:00,420 as the name implies this new office was 372 00:14:05,810 --> 00:14:02,760 looking for anomalous objects not just 373 00:14:08,750 --> 00:14:05,820 in the sky but in all domains this means 374 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:08,760 in the air in the sea on the land and 375 00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:10,260 even in space 376 00:14:15,889 --> 00:14:12,779 this created one single Clearinghouse 377 00:14:17,930 --> 00:14:15,899 for all reports of unidentified objects 378 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:17,940 era was tasked with continuing the 379 00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:20,100 investigation begun by the UAP task 380 00:14:24,350 --> 00:14:22,079 force they were put in charge of 381 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:24,360 investigating reporting and sharing all 382 00:14:29,090 --> 00:14:27,420 UAP data specifically they were tasked 383 00:14:30,769 --> 00:14:29,100 with providing an annual report to 384 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:30,779 Congress summarizing all of their 385 00:14:35,629 --> 00:14:33,300 findings this report was required to be 386 00:14:37,009 --> 00:14:35,639 delivered in a non-classified format but 387 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:37,019 it was allowed to have a classified 388 00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:39,480 Annex so basically there's the 389 00:14:42,769 --> 00:14:40,920 non-classified version of the report 390 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:42,779 that can be shared with the public 391 00:14:46,850 --> 00:14:45,120 but classified information pertaining to 392 00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:46,860 the report could be shared with Congress 393 00:14:51,230 --> 00:14:49,199 privately they also were charged with 394 00:14:53,389 --> 00:14:51,240 creating procedures for military and 395 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,399 civilian Personnel working in any 396 00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:55,920 capacity for the dod or the intelligence 397 00:15:01,370 --> 00:14:58,079 Community to report incidents or 398 00:15:03,530 --> 00:15:01,380 information about uaps including adverse 399 00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:03,540 physiological effects associated with 400 00:15:08,750 --> 00:15:06,720 uaps and as a side note if you haven't 401 00:15:11,329 --> 00:15:08,760 looked at the actual legislation as it's 402 00:15:12,829 --> 00:15:11,339 written it's worth taking the time we 403 00:15:15,230 --> 00:15:12,839 may not know what classified information 404 00:15:17,569 --> 00:15:15,240 is being shared with Congress but when 405 00:15:19,970 --> 00:15:17,579 words like adverse physiological effects 406 00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:19,980 are included in the legislation you can 407 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:21,839 get a hint about the kinds of reports 408 00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:24,000 that they've been privy to the creation 409 00:15:28,430 --> 00:15:26,399 of Arrow was groundbreaking but we still 410 00:15:30,470 --> 00:15:28,440 had a fundamental problem we had 411 00:15:32,090 --> 00:15:30,480 indications for years that there are 412 00:15:34,189 --> 00:15:32,100 various elements within the Pentagon 413 00:15:36,650 --> 00:15:34,199 that have been intentionally withholding 414 00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:36,660 information about uaps I don't want to 415 00:15:40,009 --> 00:15:37,920 get totally sidetracked with this 416 00:15:41,930 --> 00:15:40,019 discussion right now but just consider 417 00:15:44,689 --> 00:15:41,940 the fact that the initial three leaked 418 00:15:47,930 --> 00:15:44,699 videos of UFOs that were featured in the 419 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:47,940 2017 New York Times article and all of 420 00:15:51,829 --> 00:15:49,620 the military Pilots that stepped forward 421 00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:51,839 to talk about their encounters were from 422 00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:54,720 the Navy and the UAP task force was 423 00:16:00,110 --> 00:15:56,880 initially set up under Navy intelligence 424 00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:00,120 so the obvious question becomes where is 425 00:16:04,370 --> 00:16:01,920 the Air Force in all of this 426 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:04,380 they're very conspicuous silence is hard 427 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:06,660 to ignore and it gives you a sense of 428 00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:09,060 what we might be dealing with here 429 00:16:13,250 --> 00:16:11,519 so a major problem was that Arrow didn't 430 00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:13,260 have a good way to make any of the 431 00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:14,639 various branches of the military 432 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,040 intelligence apparatus share their data 433 00:16:22,250 --> 00:16:20,160 on uaps there was no real mechanism for 434 00:16:24,530 --> 00:16:22,260 Arrow to either find those programs or 435 00:16:26,449 --> 00:16:24,540 to make them share their information so 436 00:16:28,370 --> 00:16:26,459 the only hope became that individuals 437 00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:28,380 within those special access programs 438 00:16:32,210 --> 00:16:30,180 might be willing to come forward and 439 00:16:34,370 --> 00:16:32,220 share what they knew but as we've 440 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:34,380 already discussed that's a lot to ask of 441 00:16:38,749 --> 00:16:36,839 people being a whistleblower for highly 442 00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:38,759 classified programs could result in 443 00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:41,040 various forms of retaliation people 444 00:16:46,189 --> 00:16:43,079 could be blacklisted lose their security 445 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:46,199 clearances end up in jail or worse so 446 00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:47,820 there needed to be a way to ensure that 447 00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:49,380 whistleblowers could be protected from 448 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:51,300 blowback as much as possible 449 00:16:56,930 --> 00:16:54,240 that protection came in December 2022 450 00:16:59,689 --> 00:16:56,940 when the 2023 National Defense 451 00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,699 authorization Act was signed into law in 452 00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:01,440 this legislation it was language to 453 00:17:05,210 --> 00:17:03,300 protect whistleblowers who wanted to 454 00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:05,220 share what they knew about uaps with 455 00:17:09,049 --> 00:17:07,620 Congress and with arrow which is how it 456 00:17:11,150 --> 00:17:09,059 is that we are hearing about David 457 00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,160 Charles grush today 458 00:17:15,169 --> 00:17:13,439 so who is David grush 459 00:17:16,610 --> 00:17:15,179 David grush is quite an impressive 460 00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:16,620 resume when it comes to investigating 461 00:17:22,490 --> 00:17:19,919 uaps a decorated former combat officer 462 00:17:25,069 --> 00:17:22,500 who served in Afghanistan gracious had a 463 00:17:27,049 --> 00:17:25,079 long career in intelligence with over 14 464 00:17:29,090 --> 00:17:27,059 years under his belt Russia's background 465 00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:29,100 is deeply rooted in advancing American 466 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:31,500 Security through covert and clandestine 467 00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:32,880 operations 468 00:17:37,370 --> 00:17:34,740 part of grush's intriguing career 469 00:17:39,230 --> 00:17:37,380 Journey includes time at two key U.S 470 00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:39,240 government agencies the National 471 00:17:44,270 --> 00:17:41,880 geospatial Intelligence Agency or the 472 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:44,280 NGA and the national reconnaissance 473 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:47,520 office or the nro the NGA focuses on 474 00:17:52,010 --> 00:17:49,620 providing geospatial intelligence for 475 00:17:53,870 --> 00:17:52,020 national security purposes meaning they 476 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,880 analyze and distribute all sorts of 477 00:17:58,430 --> 00:17:55,919 geographic information including 478 00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:58,440 satellite imagery and Maps they support 479 00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:00,960 everything from military operations to 480 00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:02,640 Disaster Response 481 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:05,760 at the NGA Crush wore many hats he 482 00:18:10,010 --> 00:18:07,260 served as a senior intelligence 483 00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:10,020 capabilities integration officer cleared 484 00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,480 at the top secret secret compartmented 485 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:14,880 information level and was the agency's 486 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:16,980 senior technical advisor for UAP 487 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:20,640 analysis slash transmedium issues from 488 00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:24,720 late 2021 to July 2022 he co-led the 489 00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:27,600 nga's UAP analysis and represented the 490 00:18:33,049 --> 00:18:30,960 agency in the UAP task force 491 00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:33,059 the national reconnaissance office on 492 00:18:36,590 --> 00:18:34,260 the other hand is all about 493 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:36,600 reconnaissance satellites their mission 494 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:38,220 is to gather critical intelligence 495 00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:40,200 information to support National Security 496 00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,780 and defense objectives working closely 497 00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:44,640 with other agencies in the Department of 498 00:18:49,070 --> 00:18:46,980 Defense to collect and analyze data from 499 00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:49,080 space-based systems 500 00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:51,600 in gresham's time at the nro he served 501 00:18:57,230 --> 00:18:54,120 as senior intelligence officer from 2016 502 00:18:59,450 --> 00:18:57,240 to 2021 and led the production of the 503 00:19:00,409 --> 00:18:59,460 nro director's Daily Briefing to the 504 00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:00,419 president 505 00:19:03,529 --> 00:19:02,220 he held a civilian role that was 506 00:19:06,529 --> 00:19:03,539 equivalent and ranked to a military 507 00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:06,539 Colonel he also acted as the nro's 508 00:19:12,110 --> 00:19:08,700 representative to the UAP task force 509 00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:12,120 between 2019 and 2021. a big part of 510 00:19:15,770 --> 00:19:13,679 Russia's role while working with the 511 00:19:19,130 --> 00:19:15,780 government involved briefing Congress on 512 00:19:21,169 --> 00:19:19,140 uaps he also contributed to drafting UAP 513 00:19:24,049 --> 00:19:21,179 related language for the fiscal year 514 00:19:26,210 --> 00:19:24,059 2023 National Defense authorization act 515 00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,220 that contained The Very whistleblower 516 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:28,080 protections that he later used to come 517 00:19:31,250 --> 00:19:29,700 forward about his story 518 00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:31,260 stick a pin in that because we're going 519 00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:32,700 to come back to it 520 00:19:37,370 --> 00:19:35,520 so in summation grush was a high-level 521 00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:37,380 intelligence officer and investigator 522 00:19:42,049 --> 00:19:39,840 who was working at the intersection of 523 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:42,059 several government agencies that had 524 00:19:47,630 --> 00:19:44,460 access to the pertinent data needed to 525 00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:47,640 meaningfully investigate uaps and as a 526 00:19:52,370 --> 00:19:50,160 member of the UAP task force he was both 527 00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:52,380 privy to the ongoing investigations into 528 00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:54,780 uaps and was tasked with regularly 529 00:19:59,150 --> 00:19:57,360 reporting those findings to Congress 530 00:20:02,510 --> 00:19:59,160 based on what he learned in those 531 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:02,520 positions on April 7th 2023 like 532 00:20:07,310 --> 00:20:05,280 Elizondo before him grush decided to 533 00:20:09,230 --> 00:20:07,320 leave his government position to promote 534 00:20:11,570 --> 00:20:09,240 government accountability on the UAP 535 00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:11,580 issue through public awareness 536 00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:13,260 so before we get into the specific 537 00:20:17,930 --> 00:20:15,900 allegations made by grush let's look at 538 00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:17,940 who he's already talked to it's 539 00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:19,740 important to note that grush didn't go 540 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:22,140 directly to the media but rather he has 541 00:20:25,310 --> 00:20:23,580 done all of this through the proper 542 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:25,320 channels set up by the Whistleblower 543 00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,020 legislation passed by the ndaa 544 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,480 in doing so David grush has provided 545 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:32,880 hours of testimony while under oath to 546 00:20:36,289 --> 00:20:34,620 Congress and the intelligence Community 547 00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:36,299 Inspector General 548 00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:38,460 it's also important to note that the 549 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,780 statements that he made to Congress 550 00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:42,000 included classified information which he 551 00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:43,559 has not made public 552 00:20:48,289 --> 00:20:46,140 so what exactly has he said to Congress 553 00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,299 in his testimony before Congress David 554 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,919 grush revealed classified information 555 00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:52,320 regarding covert programs that have been 556 00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:54,360 involved in the retrieval of craft of 557 00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,240 non-human origin he emphasized that 558 00:21:01,789 --> 00:20:58,799 these recoveries have been taking place 559 00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:01,799 for decades involving the government its 560 00:21:06,110 --> 00:21:04,559 allies and defense contractors the 561 00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:06,120 analysis conducted on the retrieved 562 00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:08,100 objects has led to the conclusion that 563 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:10,740 they are of exotic origin possessing 564 00:21:15,230 --> 00:21:13,260 unique Atomic Arrangements radiological 565 00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:15,240 signatures and distinct vehicle 566 00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,820 morphologies grush stressed that the 567 00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:19,679 material in question includes both 568 00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:22,980 intact and partially intact vehicles 569 00:21:27,409 --> 00:21:25,740 grush further asserted that UFO Legacy 570 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:27,419 programs have been concealed within 571 00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,299 multiple agencies hiding UAP activities 572 00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,919 under conventional secret access 573 00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,080 programs without proper reporting to 574 00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:36,480 oversight authorities he informed 575 00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:38,700 Congress about a long-standing publicly 576 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,220 unknown Cold War centered around the 577 00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:43,200 recovery and exploitation of physical 578 00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:47,220 material from UAP crashes and Landings 579 00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:49,380 this competition with near peer 580 00:21:52,909 --> 00:21:51,480 adversaries which basically refers to 581 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,919 anyone with a military that we would 582 00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,440 legitimately need to worry about aim to 583 00:21:59,390 --> 00:21:57,360 gain asymmetric National Defense 584 00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:59,400 advantages through reverse engineering 585 00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:01,380 and exploitation 586 00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:03,720 gracious provided congress with hours of 587 00:22:07,630 --> 00:22:05,240 recorded classified information 588 00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:07,640 transcribed into hundreds of pages 589 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:09,900 specifically detailing the materials 590 00:22:14,510 --> 00:22:12,480 recovery program however no physical 591 00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:14,520 materials related to the wreckage or 592 00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:16,679 non-human objects have been provided to 593 00:22:21,890 --> 00:22:19,440 Congress thus far Russia's investigation 594 00:22:23,529 --> 00:22:21,900 relied on extensive interviews with 595 00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,539 high-level intelligence officials 596 00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:26,159 including those directly involved in the 597 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,240 program 598 00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:29,280 he emphasized that the operation had 599 00:22:33,409 --> 00:22:31,140 been shielded from proper Congressional 600 00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:33,419 oversight and he personally experienced 601 00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:35,340 targeting and harassment due to his 602 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,600 investigation 603 00:22:40,850 --> 00:22:38,400 gresh highlighted that the craft 604 00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:40,860 recovery operations are ongoing at 605 00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:42,900 different levels of activity and that he 606 00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:44,760 possesses knowledge of the individuals 607 00:22:50,029 --> 00:22:47,460 both current and former who are involved 608 00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,039 in these operations according to him 609 00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,559 individuals on these UAP programs 610 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,559 approached him in his official capacity 611 00:22:59,149 --> 00:22:56,640 expressing concerns about various 612 00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:59,159 wrongdoings such as illegal Contracting 613 00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:00,480 and the suppression of information 614 00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:03,780 across industrial and academic sectors 615 00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:05,700 Associates who vouched for grush 616 00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:07,380 confirmed the sensitivity of his 617 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:09,240 information and provided evidence that 618 00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:11,400 materials from objects of non-human 619 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:13,860 origin are held by highly secretive 620 00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:16,440 black programs while specific details 621 00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:18,120 regarding the locations and program 622 00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:20,820 names remain classified the Inspector 623 00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,500 General and the intelligence committee 624 00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:24,000 staff were provided with this 625 00:23:27,409 --> 00:23:25,200 information 626 00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,419 additionally several current members of 627 00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:29,340 the recovery program have corroborated 628 00:23:32,770 --> 00:23:31,140 grush's information and conversations 629 00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:32,780 with the inspector General's office 630 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:35,159 supporting the claims made in his 631 00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:37,020 classified complaint 632 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:38,700 so something that may have jumped out at 633 00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,500 you while reviewing what Crush has 634 00:23:44,810 --> 00:23:42,720 shared with Congress is that he's not 635 00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:44,820 saying that he's actually seen any 636 00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:47,460 direct evidence or even photos to 637 00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,140 corroborate the non-human craft 638 00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:51,120 allegedly in the possession of the 639 00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:53,400 secret crash retrieval program 640 00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:55,740 this has led many to question crush's 641 00:24:00,110 --> 00:23:57,480 claims and to dismiss what he's saying 642 00:24:02,270 --> 00:24:00,120 as hearsay and listen I can see how 643 00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,280 people get there but having spent the 644 00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:04,080 last several days doing a deep dive on 645 00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:05,880 this story I'd like to offer an 646 00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:07,380 important perspective on this situation 647 00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:09,299 that seems to be getting lost in the 648 00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,880 noise first of all we need to recognize 649 00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:13,679 that grush's public statements were 650 00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,320 cleared by the dod back in early April 651 00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:18,480 and we need to be clear about what that 652 00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:20,940 means and what it doesn't mean it 653 00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,100 doesn't mean that the dod is saying that 654 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,440 his statements are factually accurate or 655 00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:27,360 even that they approve of him saying it 656 00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:29,940 it only means that they have cleared his 657 00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:32,700 statements insofar as they won don't 658 00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:35,100 reveal classified information and two 659 00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,340 don't put National Security at risk 660 00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:40,559 if grush didn't directly see the craft 661 00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:42,659 then he isn't technically revealing 662 00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:45,840 classified information it's hearsay so 663 00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,360 for the dod to deny his request to make 664 00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:50,400 these public statements would have both 665 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,960 acknowledged that the information was 666 00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:54,000 classified and that it was accurate 667 00:24:58,010 --> 00:24:56,700 otherwise why is it classified the same 668 00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:58,020 can be said of the National Security 669 00:25:02,930 --> 00:25:00,600 risk it was in the best interest of the 670 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:02,940 dod in this situation to approve his 671 00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:05,220 request and hope the story gets buried 672 00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:07,380 it allows them to maintain plausible 673 00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:08,820 deniability 674 00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:10,980 but what we also need to recognize here 675 00:25:15,169 --> 00:25:13,320 is that this means that someone who 676 00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:15,179 actually saw the physical evidence of 677 00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,640 the crash retrieval program could not do 678 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:19,620 what crush is doing at least not 679 00:25:24,049 --> 00:25:22,260 publicly for someone to step forward on 680 00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:24,059 something like this and not immediately 681 00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:26,460 get the Edward Snowden treatment they 682 00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:27,960 can't be revealing classified 683 00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,059 information to the public 684 00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:31,679 Russia's distance from the evidence 685 00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:33,480 allows him to say things that people 686 00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:35,640 within these programs can't without 687 00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:37,620 going directly to jail 688 00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,260 so while I can't prove this all of this 689 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,480 looks to be intentional to me in his 690 00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,120 role at the UAP task force grush served 691 00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,039 as a liaison to Congress providing them 692 00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,740 with regular reporting on the topic and 693 00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:51,659 even helping to draft the language in 694 00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,059 the ndaa I told you we'd come back to 695 00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:56,700 that it seems very likely to me that 696 00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,919 gresh was very aware of and was perhaps 697 00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:00,600 even involved in crafting The 698 00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:03,480 Whistleblower legislation and he's a 699 00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:04,980 Savvy intelligence official who 700 00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:07,380 understands how all of this works I 701 00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,820 wouldn't be surprised to learn that 702 00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,500 grush knowing that the Whistleblower 703 00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:13,440 legislation was coming purposely did not 704 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,320 view any direct evidence of The Craft 705 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:18,120 everyone involved in this effort and all 706 00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:19,620 of the intelligence officials that came 707 00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,000 to him behind the scenes with this 708 00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:23,520 information would have known that that 709 00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:25,020 was the only way that he could actually 710 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:27,960 get away with going public with it from 711 00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,880 where I'm sitting it looks like the goal 712 00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,980 wasn't to provide disclosure with full 713 00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:33,659 evidence that would not have been 714 00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:36,299 possible there are literally no legal 715 00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,220 Avenues to directly share classified 716 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,279 information with the public instead the 717 00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:43,200 goal was to create enough noise to 718 00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,299 trigger an investigation that might be 719 00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:47,580 able to get to the truth and this is why 720 00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:49,080 I think it's so important to understand 721 00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:50,760 the full background of this story 722 00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:53,580 without that context it's impossible to 723 00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:55,320 get a sense of the game that's actually 724 00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:57,539 being played here the push for 725 00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,820 disclosure has been an elaborate game of 726 00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:02,159 3D chess played against the United 727 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,620 States intelligence apparatus by some of 728 00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,960 its finest these people know where the 729 00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,820 bodies are buried they know how the 730 00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:10,799 system works and what they've managed to 731 00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:12,600 accomplish in the last five and a half 732 00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:14,220 years through sheer grit and 733 00:27:18,529 --> 00:27:17,100 determination is as inspiring as it is 734 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,539 unprecedented 735 00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,400 so getting back to the gobsmacking 736 00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:22,559 claims the grushes made both under oath 737 00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:24,840 in front of Congress and now publicly 738 00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,720 the obvious next question is how do we 739 00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:30,000 know that David grush is credible and is 740 00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:31,799 who he says he is 741 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,419 first of all I have to say that the 742 00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,760 debrief is doing an admirable job of 743 00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:37,740 providing transparency into how they 744 00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,480 vetted each and every claim in the 745 00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:41,640 article that they published there is a 746 00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:43,140 three-part series that they've released 747 00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:45,179 with investigative reporter Lieutenant 748 00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:47,460 Tim McMillan who led the fact checking 749 00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:49,500 effort that dives into all the details 750 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:51,659 of how this was done it's too much to 751 00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:53,640 cover here in this episode but I'll link 752 00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:55,140 those in the episode brief so that you 753 00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:57,179 can take a look for yourself 754 00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,980 besides the extensive vetting that's 755 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:00,480 been done by the journalists and the 756 00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:02,700 team at the debrief we also have high 757 00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:04,200 level members of the intelligence 758 00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,880 Community who have stepped forward to 759 00:28:11,049 --> 00:28:08,640 vouch for both rush and his claims 760 00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:11,059 first we have Carl E Nell 761 00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,039 is a recently retired army colonel and 762 00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:16,440 current Aerospace executive who is the 763 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:18,840 Army's liaison for the UAP task force 764 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,320 from 2021 to 2022 and worked with grush 765 00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,960 there in the article in the debrief Nell 766 00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:27,360 characterizes grush as quote Beyond 767 00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,159 reproach 768 00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,960 and next we have Christopher Mellon 769 00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,360 Chris Mellon former undersecretary of 770 00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,039 defense and one of the Insiders who 771 00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,320 worked most closely with Luis Elizondo 772 00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,120 in his efforts to drag this issue into 773 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:41,760 the light also chimed in to corroborate 774 00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:43,500 grush's claims 775 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,440 he said quote a number of well-placed 776 00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:48,480 current and former officials have shared 777 00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,340 detailed information with me regarding 778 00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:52,980 this alleged program including insights 779 00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:55,500 into the history governing documents and 780 00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:57,419 the location where Kraft was allegedly 781 00:29:01,789 --> 00:29:00,360 abandoned and recovered however it is a 782 00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,799 delicate matter getting this potentially 783 00:29:06,049 --> 00:29:03,600 explosive information into the right 784 00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:06,059 hands for validation this is made Harder 785 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:08,279 by the fact that rightly or wrongly a 786 00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:10,140 number of potential sources do not trust 787 00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:12,179 the leadership of the all-domain anomaly 788 00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,799 resolution office established by 789 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,480 Congress 790 00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,760 perhaps most intriguing are the comments 791 00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,679 made in the article by a man identified 792 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:22,080 as Jonathan gray which is apparently not 793 00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:23,940 his real name but the name that he uses 794 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,260 in his position 795 00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:27,480 gray is a generational officer of the 796 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,919 United States intelligence Community 797 00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:31,200 with a top secret clearance Who 798 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:33,000 currently works for the National Air and 799 00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,700 Space Intelligence Center or nasic 800 00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:37,860 where the analysis of uaps has been his 801 00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:40,380 Focus it's important to note that nasik 802 00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:42,179 headquartered at Wright-Patterson Air 803 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,559 Force Base is the Department of 804 00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,960 defense's primary Air Force source for 805 00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,940 foreign Air and Space threat analysis 806 00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,039 its mission is to discover and 807 00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:52,559 characterize air space missile and cyber 808 00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:54,059 threats according to the agency's 809 00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:55,200 website 810 00:30:00,769 --> 00:29:58,380 in his comments gray said quote the 811 00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,779 existence of complex historical programs 812 00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:02,940 involving the coordinated retrieval and 813 00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:05,580 study of exotic materials dating back to 814 00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:07,860 the early 20th century should no longer 815 00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:09,299 remain a secret 816 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,700 the majority of retrieved foreign exotic 817 00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:13,679 materials have a prosaic terrestrial 818 00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:16,980 explanation in origin but not all and 819 00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:18,840 any number higher than zero in this 820 00:30:23,149 --> 00:30:20,940 category represents an undeniably 821 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:23,159 significant statistical percentage end 822 00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,000 quote 823 00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:26,580 he continued by saying a vast array of 824 00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:28,919 her most sophisticated sensors including 825 00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:31,140 space-based platforms have been utilized 826 00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:32,760 by different agencies 827 00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:35,220 typically in triplicate to observe and 828 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,140 accurately identify the out of the world 829 00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,840 nature performance and design of these 830 00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:41,700 anomalous machines which are then 831 00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,880 determined not to be of Earthly origin 832 00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,559 and more highly placed officials 833 00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,360 continue to come to grush's defense 834 00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:50,640 speaking both to his integrity and 835 00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,140 calling for this matter to be taken 836 00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:54,600 seriously by Congress in a show of 837 00:30:59,389 --> 00:30:56,760 support Jim shell the former Chief 838 00:31:02,029 --> 00:30:59,399 scientist for Air Force Base command now 839 00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,039 known as the U.S space force set in a 840 00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,559 recent LinkedIn post quote I will vouch 841 00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:06,720 for the Integrity of Dave grush 842 00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:09,000 in his statement shell did not rule out 843 00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:10,740 gracious claims that materials of 844 00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:12,779 non-human origin are held by the U.S 845 00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:14,460 government its allies and defense 846 00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,159 contractors he added quote 847 00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:19,200 getting to the bottom of this is Elusive 848 00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:21,419 and problematic to say the least 849 00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:23,340 I will assert no matter the conclusion 850 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,039 of extraterrestrial materials or not the 851 00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:28,980 dod and IC security apparatus is in 852 00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:31,559 trouble and unwitting accomplices are 853 00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:34,140 fostering an abusive system 854 00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:35,940 Beyond these high-level officials 855 00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:38,520 corroborating his claims we also have a 856 00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:40,140 hint that David grush is telling the 857 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,880 truth and the fact that his claims have 858 00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:43,980 caused alleged retaliation against him 859 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,960 that were well supported enough to have 860 00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:47,760 been taken seriously by the intelligence 861 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:49,740 Community Inspector General 862 00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,100 in May 2022 grush represented by his 863 00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,740 lawyer Charles mccullig III filed a 864 00:31:58,810 --> 00:31:57,000 significant complaint with the 865 00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,820 intelligence Community Inspector General 866 00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,260 regarding classified information he 867 00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:03,360 compiled while working for the UAP task 868 00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,179 force since 2019. according to the 869 00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,340 released version of this complaint grush 870 00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:10,320 claimed that certain factions within the 871 00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:12,419 intelligence Community purposefully 872 00:32:17,389 --> 00:32:15,000 concealed UAP related information from 873 00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,399 Congress inhibiting legitimate oversight 874 00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:20,399 of the UAP program gresh had shared this 875 00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:22,440 classified data confidentially with the 876 00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:24,059 Department of Defense Inspector General 877 00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:26,520 back in July 2021 878 00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:28,980 however grush reported that his identity 879 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:30,779 and his role in the testimony were 880 00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:32,460 revealed to individuals within the 881 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:33,899 Department of Defense and the 882 00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:35,700 intelligence Community although he 883 00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:37,380 didn't accuse the inspector General's 884 00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,659 office of inappropriate disclosure 885 00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:42,000 following this grush experienced months 886 00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:45,299 of retaliation starting in 2021 while he 887 00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:46,980 requested that the specifics of these 888 00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,659 reprisals be kept Under Wraps to 889 00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:51,240 safeguard the ongoing investigation his 890 00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:53,820 complaint was deemed quote credible and 891 00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:55,500 Urgent by the intelligence Community 892 00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:58,860 Inspector General in July 2022 893 00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,140 mcculligan is managing partner penned 894 00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:02,880 the complaint which concluded with gresh 895 00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,220 affirming under the penalties of perjury 896 00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,679 the veracity of the information provided 897 00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:10,020 this led to the initiation of a 898 00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:12,600 whistleblower reprisal investigation and 899 00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:14,519 grush commenced private discussions with 900 00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,159 Congressional intelligence committees 901 00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:19,440 so the question becomes if there are 902 00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,299 forces within the dod who are 903 00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:24,000 retaliating against Crush then what is 904 00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:26,340 their motivation for doing so what would 905 00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:28,140 be the motivation of retaliating against 906 00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,820 a whistleblower unless there was 907 00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:31,440 ultimately some truth to what they were 908 00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,580 alleging 909 00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:34,320 it's also worth pointing out that 910 00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:37,019 grush's lawyer Charles McCullough III is 911 00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:39,480 quite an impressive figure himself he's 912 00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:41,159 a senior partner at the compass rose 913 00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,380 Legal Group in Washington and was the 914 00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:45,120 inaugural Inspector General of the 915 00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:47,460 intelligence Community confirmed by the 916 00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,760 U.S Senate in 2011. back then he 917 00:33:54,850 --> 00:33:52,860 reported directly to James Clapper the 918 00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,860 then Director of National Intelligence 919 00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:56,940 supervising Intelligence Officers 920 00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:58,980 conducting audits inspections and 921 00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:01,080 investigations so the fact that he's 922 00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,760 taken on gresh in this matter is 923 00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:05,100 definitely worth noting as stunning as 924 00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,019 the allegations made by grush in the 925 00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:09,599 article in the debrief are in many ways 926 00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:11,339 they pale in comparison to what he 927 00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,780 divulged in his interview with 928 00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,879 investigative journalist Bros coldheart 929 00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:16,679 coldheart is the author of The 930 00:34:21,169 --> 00:34:19,020 phenomenal book in plain sight an 931 00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:21,179 investigation into UFOs and impossible 932 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,159 science which is one of the books that I 933 00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,960 recommend most to people new to the UFO 934 00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:27,119 topic he's been at the Forefront of 935 00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:28,980 investigating the UFO topic for years 936 00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:30,899 and is the co-host of the also 937 00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:32,820 phenomenal need to know podcast along 938 00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:35,339 with his co-host Bryce Sable while the 939 00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:37,080 full version of the interview won't be 940 00:34:41,149 --> 00:34:39,240 released until Sunday June 11th and 941 00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,159 excerpt from that interview was aired on 942 00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,200 news Nation this week and the claims 943 00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,119 that Crush makes are nothing short of 944 00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:47,159 Staggering among the allegations made 945 00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,980 grush claims that the UAP task force was 946 00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:52,440 intentionally refused access to a broad 947 00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:55,020 crash retrieval program when asked by 948 00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:57,060 coldheart to clarify what he meant by 949 00:35:02,210 --> 00:34:59,820 crash retrieval program he said quote 950 00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:02,220 these are retrieving non-human origin 951 00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,680 technical Vehicles call it spacecraft if 952 00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,200 you will non-human exotic origin 953 00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,880 vehicles that have either landed or 954 00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,280 crashed Ross then pushed for further 955 00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,920 clarification asking we have spacecraft 956 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:15,599 from another species 957 00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:18,960 to which grush replied we do yeah when 958 00:35:24,109 --> 00:35:22,020 asked how many he replied quite a number 959 00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:24,119 in telling coldheart about his discovery 960 00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:26,280 of the secret crash retrieval program he 961 00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:28,859 said quote I thought it was totally nuts 962 00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,180 and I thought at first I was being 963 00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:32,820 deceived it was a ruse people started 964 00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:35,339 confiding in me they approached me I 965 00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:37,320 have plenty of current and former senior 966 00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:39,060 Intelligence Officers that came to me 967 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,220 many of which I knew almost my whole 968 00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:43,440 career that confided in me that they 969 00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,660 were part of a program they named the 970 00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:48,060 program I'd never heard of it and they 971 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:49,980 told me based on their oral testimony 972 00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:51,960 that they provided me with documents and 973 00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:54,060 other proof that there was in fact a 974 00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:56,700 program that the UAP task force was not 975 00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:58,200 read into 976 00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,540 he doubled down on this saying there's a 977 00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,460 sophisticated disinformation campaign 978 00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:04,500 targeting the US populace which is 979 00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:07,859 extremely unethical and immoral based on 980 00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:09,300 what he saw in his time working as a 981 00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:11,700 member of the UAP task force it's clear 982 00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:13,140 that the question of whether or not 983 00:36:16,609 --> 00:36:14,760 there is another advanced intelligence 984 00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:16,619 on this planet is no longer Up For 985 00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,640 Debate 986 00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:19,680 we're definitely not alone he said 987 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,960 absolutely the data points empirically 988 00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:24,720 that we are not alone colpard asked him 989 00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:26,700 specifically whether or not he was privy 990 00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,500 to any evidence that we had recovered 991 00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,020 any bodies along with his craft he 992 00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:33,900 replied quote well naturally when you've 993 00:36:37,849 --> 00:36:35,579 recovered something that's either landed 994 00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:37,859 or crashed sometimes you encounter dead 995 00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:40,380 pilots and believe it or not and as 996 00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:43,500 Fantastical as that sounds it's true 997 00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:45,240 and another stunning Revelation was 998 00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:46,859 dropped in the teaser for Sunday's 999 00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,320 interview in it grush suggested that the 1000 00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,839 cover-up involving UFOs doesn't go back 1001 00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,940 76 years to the summer of the Roswell 1002 00:36:59,290 --> 00:36:56,160 crash as is typically believed even 1003 00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:59,300 within the UFO Community but 90 years 1004 00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:01,740 that places the origins of this story 1005 00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:04,680 back in the early 1930s and calls into 1006 00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:06,780 question nearly everything that we 1007 00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:08,820 thought we knew about the history of the 1008 00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,380 20th century 1009 00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:12,960 I keep using words like profound and 1010 00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:14,760 earth-shattering to describe the claims 1011 00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,859 that grush is making because it's truly 1012 00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:18,720 impossible to overstate the significance 1013 00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,540 of what is being alleged like everyone 1014 00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,280 else I'll be waiting on pins and needles 1015 00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,500 to watch that interview on Sunday and 1016 00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,119 I'm sure I'll offer more thoughts after 1017 00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:29,280 I've had the chance to process that 1018 00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:31,500 but without seeing the whole thing there 1019 00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:32,820 are a few things that are worth noting 1020 00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:35,220 now first of all Ross coltheart has said 1021 00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,920 that this was a seven hour interview 1022 00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:39,359 obviously what we see on Sunday will 1023 00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:41,099 only be a small portion of the entire 1024 00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:43,079 interview that was done it'll be 1025 00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:44,400 interesting to see what makes the Final 1026 00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:46,740 Cut coldheart said on this week's 1027 00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,359 episode of need to know that there's 1028 00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:49,920 information that he learned in that 1029 00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:51,720 interview that he's keeping back out of 1030 00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,119 respect for National Security concerns 1031 00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:56,700 ominously he also claimed that what he 1032 00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,640 knows about this situation scares him 1033 00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:01,440 it's also interesting to note that he 1034 00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,300 has gone several steps further than Kane 1035 00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:04,800 and Blumenthal went in their article 1036 00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:07,260 perhaps most notably in his claims that 1037 00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:09,000 we haven't just recovered craft but 1038 00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,079 bodies 1039 00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:12,000 Kane and Blumenthal have since made it 1040 00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,320 clear that this was an intentional 1041 00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:14,880 choice on their part 1042 00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:16,859 they did not talk to grush about bodies 1043 00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:18,540 and in follow-up interviews this week 1044 00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:20,280 they have thus far declined to speak on 1045 00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:21,180 that matter 1046 00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:23,640 as for why they made that choice we can 1047 00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,800 only speculate for now but my guess 1048 00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:27,359 would be that they were attempting to 1049 00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:29,160 get the most important points on the 1050 00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,260 record without going too far and either 1051 00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,880 alienating their sources within the 1052 00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:35,040 government or alienating the public by 1053 00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,599 pushing them further on this topic than 1054 00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,640 they were willing to go like I said 1055 00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:41,280 that's just my guess we can't know for 1056 00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:43,020 sure but as frustrating as that approach 1057 00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:45,240 may seem to many I think we have to give 1058 00:38:48,829 --> 00:38:47,400 Kane and Blumenthal a lot of credit for 1059 00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:48,839 the restraint that they have shown over 1060 00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:51,720 the years consistently the most progress 1061 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,579 has been made thus far by people who are 1062 00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,200 willing to show that kind of discretion 1063 00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:57,780 who are willing to check their egos in 1064 00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:59,339 order to put another point on the board 1065 00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:01,260 for disclosure I want to be clear that 1066 00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,060 none of that is a judgment on cold heart 1067 00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:05,040 or anyone else who pushed whistleblowers 1068 00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:06,780 for all the information that they have 1069 00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:09,480 there is a place for that as well and 1070 00:39:13,069 --> 00:39:10,740 trust that I will be watching and 1071 00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:13,079 Reporting back to you on all of it but 1072 00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:14,760 it's important to recognize that these 1073 00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,619 moments are only made possible because 1074 00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:19,440 of the sacrifices that came before so I 1075 00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:20,820 think we should be slow to cast judgment 1076 00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:22,920 on K and Blumenthal for being more 1077 00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:24,839 cautious in their approach 1078 00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:27,960 however as unbelievable and historic and 1079 00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:30,300 profound and controversial as the claims 1080 00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:32,700 about crafting bodies are I'd argue that 1081 00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,680 those Revelations are actually the real 1082 00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,119 headline here 1083 00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,160 this is not to minimize the profound 1084 00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:40,079 significance that non-human craft and 1085 00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,599 bodies represent getting confirmation 1086 00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:44,700 that human beings aren't alone on this 1087 00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:46,920 planet that other intelligent species 1088 00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:49,079 exist and that they have technology 1089 00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,940 beyond anything that we have in our 1090 00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:53,760 Arsenal is a paradigm shift at least on 1091 00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,560 the magnitude of our recognition that 1092 00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:57,359 the Earth is not at the center of the 1093 00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,920 universe You could argue that it's even 1094 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,960 bigger than that if we get actual 1095 00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:03,119 confirmation that's the case it is 1096 00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:04,619 likely that the history books of the 1097 00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:06,900 future will point to this as a new era 1098 00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,540 in human history this revelation will 1099 00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:12,119 create a distinct before and after in 1100 00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:14,220 the story of humanity and the 1101 00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:15,960 implications of this really can't be 1102 00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:17,220 overstated 1103 00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:19,320 what does it mean for us to not be the 1104 00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:21,780 most advanced species on our planet what 1105 00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,339 does this mean about the history of our 1106 00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,680 species and who we are what does this 1107 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,079 mean about the nature of our reality and 1108 00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:30,180 what does National Security even mean 1109 00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:32,280 against a potential adversary that is 1110 00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:34,140 potentially thousands of years ahead of 1111 00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:36,300 us in technological development 1112 00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:38,579 I don't know but we shouldn't let our 1113 00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:40,200 discomfort with the possible answer 1114 00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:42,540 allow us to sugarcoat the reality of 1115 00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:43,859 this situation 1116 00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:46,320 it's entirely possible to be excited 1117 00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,599 about the possibilities while also 1118 00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,359 realizing in a cold and sober way that 1119 00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:53,520 this probably isn't great news for us 1120 00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,280 just looking at our own history when a 1121 00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:58,079 more technological civilization comes 1122 00:41:02,329 --> 00:40:59,820 into contact with a less technological 1123 00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,339 civilization the results are usually 1124 00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,839 pretty devastating for the less 1125 00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:06,240 technological civilization 1126 00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,579 I think it's also important to note that 1127 00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:10,619 the recovered non-human vehicles have 1128 00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:12,900 been described multiple times as having 1129 00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:16,020 crashed or landed that such an advanced 1130 00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:18,420 craft would crash is strange enough but 1131 00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:20,940 to have one land be abandoned and then 1132 00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:23,099 be recovered by humans stretches the 1133 00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:25,500 limits of credulity and it begs the 1134 00:41:29,569 --> 00:41:27,300 question of whether or not we may have 1135 00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:29,579 been given this technology on purpose 1136 00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,280 which led to an intense secret cold war 1137 00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:35,280 between superpower Nations it's hard to 1138 00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:37,140 imagine an altruistic reason for doing 1139 00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:39,480 that but let's put all of that aside for 1140 00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:41,220 a minute because I'd argue that if what 1141 00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,800 grush is saying is true we have a much 1142 00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:46,560 more urgent problem on our hands what 1143 00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:48,900 Russia specifically alleging here is 1144 00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:51,240 that in his own words there's a 1145 00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,460 sophisticated disinformation campaign 1146 00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:55,680 targeting the U.S populace which is 1147 00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,920 extremely unethical and immoral and the 1148 00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,839 upcoming previews of the interview seem 1149 00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:02,640 to suggest that this goes back to at 1150 00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,500 least the early 1930s 1151 00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:06,960 the implications of this are sweeping 1152 00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:10,440 profound and frankly terrifying first of 1153 00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:12,300 all in a Democratic Republic which is 1154 00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,520 what the United States alleges itself to 1155 00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,800 be and what it was designed to be by our 1156 00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:18,480 forefathers who wrote the Constitution 1157 00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:21,300 the power is vested in the people who 1158 00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:22,980 elect leaders to carry out their will 1159 00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:25,500 for that to work the government needs to 1160 00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,140 be accountable to the people and to the 1161 00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:30,240 Constitution if the government is 1162 00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:32,820 running a decades-long psyop against the 1163 00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:35,520 American people that is illegal immoral 1164 00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,940 unethical and unconstitutional depending 1165 00:42:42,109 --> 00:42:40,619 on the details it could rise to the 1166 00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:42,119 level of treason 1167 00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:43,920 and the challenge that this presents is 1168 00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,940 twofold 1169 00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:47,220 first of all if this is true we'll have 1170 00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:48,900 to deal with unraveling the fact that 1171 00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,579 this has happened at a breathtaking 1172 00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,520 scale and for nearly a century which 1173 00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:55,920 will be an absolute mess but we also 1174 00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:57,420 have to deal with the fact that the very 1175 00:43:01,970 --> 00:42:59,460 people that we need to come forward on 1176 00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:01,980 this are likely highly disincentivized 1177 00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:05,099 from doing so if this is true people can 1178 00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:06,660 go to jail for this 1179 00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:08,280 so we're going to have to figure out 1180 00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,500 where the line is between holding people 1181 00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,599 to account for high crimes against the 1182 00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,119 American people while also providing 1183 00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:17,040 some kind of a pathway forward for this 1184 00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,079 information to actually come out 1185 00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,880 I don't think anyone has a good answer 1186 00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,280 for how we will handle that and before 1187 00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:24,960 we can begin to deal with the potential 1188 00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:27,300 reality of a highly Advanced non-human 1189 00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,579 presence on this planet we're going to 1190 00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:31,200 have to start by getting our own house 1191 00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:32,280 in order 1192 00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:34,260 but I'd argue that even that isn't the 1193 00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:35,760 biggest challenge that we face if these 1194 00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:37,260 allegations are true 1195 00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:39,480 the clear implications of a gracious 1196 00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,119 suggesting here is that there are one or 1197 00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,160 more factions operating within the 1198 00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,839 United States Military Intelligence 1199 00:43:50,569 --> 00:43:48,480 apparatus that are working above the 1200 00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,579 oversight of Congress above the 1201 00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,800 oversight of the Oval Office and above 1202 00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:54,720 the oversight of the very office that 1203 00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:56,099 was created by the elected 1204 00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:57,900 representatives of this nation in order 1205 00:44:02,809 --> 00:43:59,640 to consolidate and carry out our 1206 00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:02,819 investigation of uaps this suggests that 1207 00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:04,859 there is potentially a rogue element 1208 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,540 within the government that is working 1209 00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:08,640 above the Constitution 1210 00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:11,220 if that's true it's both the greatest 1211 00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,020 threat to our democracy that we've ever 1212 00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:15,599 known and this country's biggest Scandal 1213 00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:17,700 forget Watergate and the Kennedy 1214 00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:19,560 assassination and all of the rest of it 1215 00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:22,500 there is no story bigger than this one 1216 00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,260 and it gets worse because if this is 1217 00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:27,599 true then this Rogue element within the 1218 00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:29,819 government has in its possession highly 1219 00:44:34,609 --> 00:44:32,640 Advanced non-human technology and it 1220 00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,619 sounds likely that for almost a century 1221 00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:36,960 now this group has been appropriating 1222 00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:38,760 taxpayer funds to develop this 1223 00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,680 technology which it has gone through 1224 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:42,480 Great Lengths to keep from the American 1225 00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:43,560 people 1226 00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:46,680 that is not great news for us now we 1227 00:44:50,569 --> 00:44:48,300 absolutely shouldn't jump to conclusions 1228 00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,579 or immediately surrender to conspiracy 1229 00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,800 theories about a shadow government even 1230 00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:54,720 if what grush is describing is the case 1231 00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:56,940 the motivations for the secrecy might 1232 00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:59,819 not be entirely Sinister if we have in 1233 00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:01,560 fact been engaged in a decades-long 1234 00:45:06,109 --> 00:45:04,200 secret Cold War as he claims there could 1235 00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:06,119 be multiple very legitimate national 1236 00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,859 security reasons for keeping this 1237 00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,960 information classified even above the 1238 00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:12,000 Office of the President but if what 1239 00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:13,700 grush is describing is really the case 1240 00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,440 regardless of the motivations we find 1241 00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:19,040 ourselves in a very precarious situation 1242 00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,540 if you allow a group of people to 1243 00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:23,760 operate without constitutional oversight 1244 00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:26,280 and you allow this group to accumulate 1245 00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,380 significant resources and highly 1246 00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:30,900 advanced technology it's not hard to 1247 00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,819 imagine scenarios where we could easily 1248 00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:35,280 lose control of our country if we 1249 00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:36,480 haven't already 1250 00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:38,520 this state of affairs would also mean 1251 00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:41,460 that we don't know our own history if 1252 00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:43,380 various superpowers began to retrieve 1253 00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:45,780 highly Advanced non-human technology as 1254 00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:48,420 far back as the early 1930s than it 1255 00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,280 calls the entire history of the 20th 1256 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,079 century into question 1257 00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:54,720 what was World War II really about what 1258 00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:57,000 was the Cold War really about how much 1259 00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,319 of what we've been told about world 1260 00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,240 events have been true and how much has 1261 00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,339 been an elaborate ruse to cover up the 1262 00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,319 biggest mystery and perhaps the biggest 1263 00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:06,960 threat that Humanity has ever faced 1264 00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:09,960 and will we ever be told the truth 1265 00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:11,640 a lot of that depends on what happens 1266 00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:14,819 next now granted I'm not saying that I 1267 00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:16,619 necessarily believe that all of the 1268 00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:19,140 allegations made by Russ are true there 1269 00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:21,300 is a lot more work that needs to be done 1270 00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:23,579 to get to the bottom of the story but 1271 00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:25,260 what I'm arguing is that these 1272 00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,960 allegations are credible they come from 1273 00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:29,520 someone with an impressive intelligence 1274 00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,859 pedigree who would have access to the 1275 00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:33,900 information that he claims to have he's 1276 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,700 been heavily vetted by some of the best 1277 00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:37,680 journalists working in the field and has 1278 00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:39,420 the backing of multiple high-level 1279 00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:41,160 intelligence colleagues who are willing 1280 00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:42,780 to vouch for both the strength of his 1281 00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:45,900 character and the veracity of his claims 1282 00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,819 what is called for here is further 1283 00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:50,400 investigation and it's going to take the 1284 00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:52,140 full weight of both our elected 1285 00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,060 officials and the Legacy Media 1286 00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:56,160 rigorously pursuing the truth if we're 1287 00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,619 going to make any progress here 1288 00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,720 as for the Pentagon this has been their 1289 00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:03,359 only comment on the story thus far via 1290 00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:07,500 DOD spokesperson Susan go quote to date 1291 00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:09,780 Arrow has not discovered any verifiable 1292 00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:11,940 information to substantiate claims that 1293 00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:13,980 any programs regarding the possession or 1294 00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,140 reverse engineering of extraterrestrial 1295 00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:18,240 materials have existed in the past or 1296 00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:19,619 exist currently 1297 00:47:23,890 --> 00:47:21,900 arrow is committed to following the data 1298 00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:23,900 and its investigation wherever it leads 1299 00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:26,220 Arrow working with the office of the 1300 00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,960 general counsel in the Air Force office 1301 00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,000 of special investigations has 1302 00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,680 established a safe and secure process 1303 00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:33,599 for individuals to come forward with 1304 00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,819 information to Aid arrow in its 1305 00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:37,440 congressionally mandated historical 1306 00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:38,520 review 1307 00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:42,960 testimonies is ongoing and due to 1308 00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:46,200 Congress by June 2024 Arrow welcomes the 1309 00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:48,420 opportunity to speak with any former or 1310 00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,680 current government employer or 1311 00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:51,119 contractor who believes they have 1312 00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,920 information relevant to the historical 1313 00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:54,240 review 1314 00:47:58,190 --> 00:47:56,760 and in this statement we can see exactly 1315 00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:58,200 what we're up against in terms of 1316 00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,900 getting the dod to cop to any of this 1317 00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,119 statement is misleading to the point of 1318 00:48:07,069 --> 00:48:05,520 being meaningless and typifies the 1319 00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:07,079 sleight of hand techniques traditionally 1320 00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:09,300 used by the Pentagon to sidestep 1321 00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:11,160 narratives that they wish to discredit 1322 00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:13,380 without directly engaging 1323 00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,020 crush's point is that the UAP task force 1324 00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:18,839 and now Aero the very organizations that 1325 00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:22,260 we put in place to investigate uaps have 1326 00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,940 not been read into special access 1327 00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:26,160 programs involving the recovery of 1328 00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:28,380 non-human technology 1329 00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:30,540 so saying that Arrow has not discovered 1330 00:48:33,950 --> 00:48:32,339 any verifiable information to 1331 00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,960 substantiate claims about reverse 1332 00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:35,280 engineering of extraterrestrial 1333 00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:38,220 materials it's largely irrelevant to the 1334 00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,440 claims that are being made the Pentagon 1335 00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:42,780 has chosen to answer a question but 1336 00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,720 entirely sidestepped the question 1337 00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:47,520 so what can we do 1338 00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,140 it's pretty clear from this statement 1339 00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:51,119 that the dod just hopes that the story 1340 00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:53,220 will die they're hoping that you won't 1341 00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,140 really be paying attention they're 1342 00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:56,640 hoping that you won't bother to talk to 1343 00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,500 your family and friends they're hoping 1344 00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:59,760 that you won't call your elective 1345 00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,260 officials and demand that Congress 1346 00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:03,359 investigate these claims further 1347 00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:04,980 and they're hoping that the mainstream 1348 00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:06,839 media will continue to be asleep at the 1349 00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:08,760 wheel on what is potentially the single 1350 00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:10,619 biggest news story in the history of 1351 00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:12,839 this country if not the world 1352 00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:14,460 so the best thing that we can do right 1353 00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,859 now is make as much noise about this as 1354 00:49:20,809 --> 00:49:18,960 possible get on the phone to your 1355 00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:20,819 representatives in Congress write 1356 00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:22,200 letters to the editor of your local 1357 00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:24,780 newspapers support Outlets like the 1358 00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,579 debrief and news nation that are 1359 00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:29,040 courageously taking on this story and 1360 00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:30,900 call out the larger Outlets that refuse 1361 00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,240 to engage talk to your family and 1362 00:49:36,530 --> 00:49:35,280 friends send them this episode if you 1363 00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:36,540 think it will help 1364 00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,300 just don't be quiet and don't let this 1365 00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:41,760 story get buried we may never have a 1366 00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:43,260 chance like this again to get to the 1367 00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:46,140 truth of the UFO phenomenon we can't 1368 00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:47,640 waste it